8MP PTZ WiFi Camera with Dual Screen Color Night Vision Outdoor 4MP Security IP Camera CCTV Surveillance Camera ICSEE App
$ 52 – $ 186
👇4K 8MP Dual Screens & Dual Lenses Digital Zoom WiFi Camera👇
👇4K 8MP Dual Lenses 8X Digital Zoom PTZ WiFi Camera👇
How to set Alarm Flashing Light and Alarm Voice in icsee app
4K 8MP Dual Screens PTZ WiFi Camera
① 3.6mm Dual-Lenses.
② Dual Screen, you can operate the screen separately
③ Support Auto Tracking ,Human Detection
④ Police Light alarm, can drive out strangers
Need to set Alarm Flashing Light and Alarm Voice in icsee app
⑤ supports full-color mode, infrared mode and double-light alert mode
8MP 4MP Version Comparison ( Principle of pixel superposition )
4MP camera version:
Means that the single lens is 2MP, so the dual-lens is 2MP+2MP=4MP.
8MP camera version:
Means that the single lens is 4MP, so the dual-lens is 4MP+4MP=8MP.
The Steps of 4X Digital Zoom for Wifi Camera
Main Features:
● 8MP 4MP Resolution Option
● Dual-Lens with Dual Screen
● AI human detection Alarm
● 3.6mm Dual lens camerasystem
● 20~25 meters Colorful/Black White Night Vision
● Enhanced dual antenna penetration ability
● Pan 270 degree/ Tilt 90degree
● Two-Way Audio Talk Speak Real Time
● Motion Detection and Alarm Tone Function
● 2.4Ghz WiFi and Wired Connection two Mode
● AP Hotspot Mode Access
● Waterproof IP66 Use for Outdoor
● TF Card Slot Support Max 128 GB.
● Encryption security cloud storage
● Remotely View via the App iCSee on Smartphone
Package Listing:
1x PTZ Camera
1x User Manual
1x Power Supply
1x Screws Bag
Warm tips: the SD Card is optional 🙂
You might need such extension cable
This cable is not included , if you need , you could click this image to buy one directly !!!!
Dual Screen & Dual Lens
PTZ Remote Control
Rotates 270° Horizontally and 90° Vertically, You can control it in the ICSEE app directly whenever you want and wherever you are.
8MP Wifi Camera Has Two Installation Methods
Support for Under Ceiling installation and Wall Side installation
Moving Auto tracking
After locking the target, the camera will adjust the pan rotation automatically, Tracking Moving Human and push alerts notifications to your Smartphone.
Ai Human Detect Alert
Quickly finds human targets and immediately sends a notification to your phone, letting you see what happens anywhere. It only detects the human shape and will not trigger falsely for objects such as cars and trees.
Color Infrared Night Vision
supports full-color mode,
infrared mode
double-light alert mode
(infrared night vision is displayed when no object moves, and the white light will be turned on to switch to full-color mode after motion is detected).
Double Lens ，Multiple Views
Configuration of double-lens, a fixed -point monitoring, a pan -tilt monitoring dual lens monitoring, to capture more detail of the scene
Real Two Way Audio
Built-in microphone and speaker / Customized new speakers with loud volume; You could talk to anyone nears the camera ( Warn someone to leave your house ).
IP66 Waterproof / Dustproof
The camera case is made of high-quality ABS plastic, which is waterproof, sun-proof and dust-proof. It is suitable for any environment.
Wifi Connection & LAN Connection
Powered by DC12V adapter, you can connect the camera to Wi-Fi network. you can setup wifi connection of the camera or LAN Search with network cable connected to router, work with 2.4G wifi only (Does not support 5G).
SD Card & Cloud Storage
First month cloud storage and Max 128G SD card Record ,data security is more stable .
If you want to keep using Cloud Service, you just need to pay for it , if you don’t need to use , it will stop it automatically when you don’t pay for the fee.
APP Remote Access
Easy remote access to get what happens when you left home
| AI Functions | Motion Detection |
|---|---|
| Shell Material | Plastic |
| Color Night Vision | YES |
| Operating Temperature | -10°-60° |
| IP Rating | IP66 |
| App name | Other |
| Power Mode | Mains Electricity |
| Rechargeable Battery Capability | Other |
| Scene | Indoor and Outdoor |
| Movement Range(Pan) | -10°-180° |
| Digital Zoom | 4X |
| Megapixels | 4MP |
| TF Card | 128G TF Card |
| Power Supply | Normal |
| Storage | 128G |
| Installation | Ceiling,Wall Mounted |
| Color | grey |
| is_customized | Yes |
| Audio Output | Two Way Audio |
| Minimum Illumination(Lux) | 0.01 Lux |
| Viewing Angle | 85° |
| Video Compression Format | H.265 |
| IR Distance(m) | 20-25 Meters |
| Dimensions (L x W x D)(mm) | 24cm *17cm * 13cm |
| Power Supply(V) | DC 12V |
| Alarm Action | Local Alarm |
| Power Consumption(W) | < 8W |
| Supported Mobile Systems | Windows Mobile,Android,IOS |
| Sensor Brand | SONY |
| Special Features | Waterproof / Weatherproof |
| Sensor | CMOS |
| Model Number | P10Q |
| Supported Operating Systems | Windows 7,Mac OS,Windows 8,Windows 10 |
| Lens (mm) | 3.6mm |
| Connectivity | WIFI |
| High Definition | 8.0 Megapixels |
| Style | Dome Camera |
| Brand Name | BESDER |
| Origin | Mainland China |
| Certification | CE |
| Smart home platform | Other |
| besder wifi camera | PTZ camera |
| security camera | 8mp 4k ip camera |
| wifi surveillance cameras | cctv camera |
| Video storage method | Cloud Storage / SD Card Storage |
| App | icsee app / xmeye app |
| Dual Lenses | Dual Screens |
| Alarm Flashing Light | Support, Set in the icsee app |
| Alarm Voice | Support, Set in the icsee app |
| Connection method | Wired Connection,2.4G HZ WIFI Connection,Bluetooth Connection |
| Smart Dual Light Modes | Full-color Mode,Infrared Mode,Double-light Alert Mode |
| Onvif Protocol | Support |
| RTSP Stream | Support |
| 8MP camera version | 4MP+4MP=8MP |
| 4MP camera version | 2MP+2MP=4MP |
| Auto tracking | Human Detect |
| Two Way Audio | Support |
| Waterproof | Support |
| Warranty Period | One Year |
| After-sales guarantee | 24 hours Quick Reply (weekdays) |
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U***r –
fast delivery
G***l –
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N***a –
This is not the first time we order, excellent product!
Customer –
SALAHUDIN RANA ; excellent product , working well , justified value to money ♥️ always great experience buying from ALI express ♥️
Customer –
SALAHUDIN RANA 🇵🇰; excellent product , working well , justified value to money ♥️ always great experience buying from ALI express 💯♥️🇵🇰🇨🇳💚
K***a –
Product of excellent quality, I confess that it surprises me. I recommend to everyone…
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
B***r –
I haven't tested it yet, it seems to be a resistant material. Arrived well ahead of schedule.
Customer –
The camera can be used as two cameras with many functions. At the top there is a warning light and a warning bell, which can be turned on and off in the icsee app, depending on whether you use it. The camera works well. I recommend
A***a –
Very good
J***a –
I already have two and they are very good this is the third camera of this brand Excellent image I put on the street door one camera up another down a bed just you can get the whole street
A***r –
Camera is exactly what is in the description, the quality is very good, make no mistake thinking it will be iPhone quality, and an IP camera from China, I am satisfied with the purchase.
A***r –
I highly recommend to the store the item arrived earlier than agreed which is important point and well protected I hope it works correctly yet I will not test it but I will comment on that topic later
А***й –
I jammy 4 times, do good, I recommend the seller.
A***n –
Very good product
А***й –
Seller recommend.
О***к –
They rejected the shvidko, the camera Garna, they did not overplay the pratsyut. Yak pidkey, I will write
G***g –
Excellent camera I have already turned everything on OK I will install in sequence I leave more comments
s***i –
Good product and easy to program, very beautiful image, pity that it is not compatible with the TUYA application
S***s –
Delivery to BTS two tizhni, having passed on the press of the press. well packed, without poskojen. before giving it up to the same time as an icsee, for me more than one kind of besder. They gave katsapska Mova. Without putting a flash drive of the rest, I check the splitter-injector. The reagent of the car is rotated by the camera. not by the video of the zum, in the city of Russia. Timchadh back in the country.
a***r –
Excellent fast very good quality is the second I buy and you really are very necessary and you are very calm for your family any strange noise on the street and we go to the app and we can see the image very fast
r***r –
Product tested and approved, I have not yet fixed, but I did some tests and at first the product fulfills what it promises in the description. Very fast delivery and without damage. I recommend it.
р***ч –
Not a bad camera, but there are problems. The camera has low sensitivity at night. Once the glucanul flash changed. Well, and most importantly, he does not want to send video to the computer to the Mail despite all the parameters entered. There is no zoom.
I***a –
Arrived long before the deadline and came a lot comes packed, now I will do the other tests.
J***í –
Excelent product. The camera quality is very good. It came with a broken power supply and the camera wasn’t turning on. The seller refunded me the value of the source here in my region. I recommend!
B***u –
Excellent camera, Mt happy with the purchase. I was taxed at 20 reais.
U***r –
The package took 36 days, the package was badly crumpled. But everything seems to be whole.
D***r –
I didn't take it for myself, my friend checked it out said that everything was normal! Thank you!
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
T***s –
Product same as the description, comes with the memory card and everything that is described. I still don't try it so later I will write another review, shipping was fast, 10 days to arrive in chile, good store
Customer –
Excellent camera, looks great the image and the. Fast shipping, I fully recommend
U***r –
the order arrived quickly, about two weeks, I did not check. I will check and add, I order for the first time from this seller
h***h –
Arrived as well, it has characteristics I agreed to the catalog and I will wait for how it behaves, thank you
m***r –
the camera is very good
J***n –
Recomand cu drag acest store tuturor românilor cumpărători, pacetul a venit în nici 2 săptămâni, a venit prin Fancurier, produsul cred ca this a best buy, remark varianta 8 mega cu card 128G, nu o sa fiți dezamăgiți
D***v –
The camera came quickly. The packaging is great. Everything works. The picture is great
A***i –
Always a pleasure to buy cameras from this shop.I reckon I already had more than 10 cameras as I resell them and every single time delivery and quality of the products are for 10+ stars.I strongly recommend this seller
A***r –
Savet. works perfectly. quality!
A***n –
This is the 3rd one I’ve bought because my family liked it, very good quality.
M***m –
Shvidko came, everything was tzile, having connected the pratsyu. Skoda, it's not a zoom, but everything is super.
V***a –
Product according to description, just need to install to see it working.
Y***r –
All the Super came all the time without any problems all the good and like a wonderful Super, I don't want to see the store.
I***k –
The goods arrived well ahead of time. But its packaging is severely deformed, the camera box is dented. When checking the camera itself and its set, no visible external damage was found. The package of the goods corresponds to the declared from the store. Additional information on the functionality of the placement after entering the device into operation.
A***l –
Very good camera, its resolution is excellent. Quality price ratio is very good. I have bought it 3 times and I love it, I would not buy another one.
B***r –
I liked it, because it arrived before the scheduled deadline.
2***r –
The boxes of cameras are so crumpled that you can understand from the relief how the cameras lay.
E***a –
Excellent Product very easy the audio language setting in Portuguese Brazil tomorrow I will install it and leave feedback added more without a doubt it was a great acquisition
E***u –
Very very good thanks and good day thanks
J***r –
Received very fast, easy installation and apparently very good quality. Perfect Image. Easy to use app
y***r –
everything arrived on time and as a miracle everything is whole and working. This is not the first time I have advised this seller to do not regret it
J***n –
Camera a venit exact ca cea din poză, recomand cu drag la români, la mine este a 3-a camera montată, se instalează foarte ușor, rezistența la frig, nu am avut probleme cu ea iarna trecută
S***u –
WAW! An excellent product! Thanks
Л***к –
Garna camera and a pack. Shvidka delivery.
M***a –
Good camera, good quality!
В***й –
For his money does everything that is declared by the manufacturer
D***v –
The camera is a credit. Unfortunately, half of the seal was not put in the box. Came in a crumpled box and with a bunch of scratches. Returned the dispute 10%. To be honest, the Mount is very flimsy. Color is controversial. Connects very quickly due to the presence of BT.
H***l –
Not bad for the price and possible to share the camera on 2 phone s free and fast shipping
B***k –
The camera is good. Recommend!
D***a –
It is my second purchase, super attentive store, they sent fast, but here in Brazil it is horrible, taxing everything, unfortunately I was taxed, small amount but I was taxed and taking too long. The government no longer wants what agent to import product.
D***a –
It is my second purchase, super attentive seller, they sent fast, but here in Brazil it is horrible, taxing everything, unfortunately I was taxed, small amount but I was taxed and taking too long. The government no longer wants what agent to import product.
C***o –
Very good product, working perfectly, very good picture, late delivery, and the box came out with tear, even so I recommend it.
Customer –
Excellent arrived as expected
P***a –
I am satisfied with the purchase I have not tested yet and I have not installed it delayed delivery because of the end of the year many deliveries by the Post Office
F***o –
Doing the tests still little time of use but it seems to be of good quality
J***a –
The camera works very well the pictures are excellent really and it is easy installation I am very pleased
G***s –
I bought by indication and arrived very fast, very good material product, well packed, with memory card. I haven’t installed it yet.
Y***e –
Good, not the first time.
Z***v –
The parcel arrived on time 9 days before Azerbaijan, only our local chief K store is handsome. camera PTZ 4K 8 MP IP, two eyes each 4MP total and write that 8 megapixels picture is normal day and night. There are a bunch of rollers on YouTube. Seller recommend!
順***山 –
As described. is already the second I buy from the same brand.
a***a –
It came broken and they exchanged it for me super quickly, everything perfect.
A***d –
Very good camera, I asked for the 8mp, fast delivery, arrived in perfect condition, recommended, when asking attentive because there are several megapixels
J***a –
This is the second I buy the first arrived already installed it working very well
a***t –
I had bought one on a trial basis, now I ‘ve got another one. You can get it safely in Turkey, I can recommend it. The second product took a little longer to arrive.
B***n –
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A***i –
Great buy. value for money.
E***o –
Hello, good afternoon, the product arrived as the combined, very good, I have not tested yet, more recommend the store and the seller, but it is impractical to buy on AliExpress due to the nefarious government of Brazil, with the high import taxes, government that only thinks about collecting taxes and now has worsened, Because they shove more 20% in the People’s tail in purchases over 50 dollars, which in reality is almost 42%, with that we lost all, we, buyers and AliExpress, the sellers.
Customer –
perfect
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
Customer –
I am extremely satisfied with the product! Arrived fast, well protected and without any other problems. At first it took me a long time to get it to work, but now that it's all set up and running I sincerely say that I am impressed! The image quality in the print may not seem like a big deal but in the application and moving to look around it proved to be more than clear and perfect. The audio it picks up is phenomenal. Unfortunately it has not yet rained to test the protection, however the next few days will rain and maybe I will add an extra comment when it rains. But I am well satisfied with the store and polite stores, in addition to the amazing product! Besder will be another favorite store for me!
M***a –
It took a long time to arrive due to the Mail
9***r –
Product arrived fast, well packed, already tested working perfectly. I really liked the purchase, I indicate the purchase.
c***r –
It works well. The analysis is okay. Positive that it can supervise 2 different points. Attention to the isee app , must have the light marking enabled for notifications to come. Can work with poe splitter. Also you can rotate the base to change direction. Came well packaged. I recommend the seller. Will come back after months of operation for additional updates
U***r –
delivered quickly, I will check – I will add
A***s –
The shipment was very expeditious
C***s –
Very good, easy to install, and very good the image quality of both cameras (the 8 MP)
S***x –
Arrived in perfect condition, the camera is great has excellent resolution, without a doubt I recommend it.
V***ė –
Kaip už Tokie Kaina Labai Selang Rodo IR garsas kokybe Labai Selang💯💯💯
A***o –
The camera came quickly and excellent, you can buy it without fear.
J***o –
Best Buy over there, top product
S***i –
A useful and wonderful product according to description and experience
S***r –
Jo a Kamera de Messze nor 4 K
Customer –
Great best camera I have ever bought so far is worth it only super clear and clear images I recommend
S***o –
This is the fourth I buy everything right in both delivery and quality
V***r –
Product up to standards, so far has not had any problems, I recommend, it took time to get here in Manaus am, but everything OK
Customer –
Very satisfied with product arrived very fast very well packed, it is already installed and working perfectly Super I indicate the store, congratulations to the store.
j***z –
Excellent I have 8 bought
a***y –
broken solar screen no bad rating the product seemed to be of quality.
V***a –
Product arrived entirely split, poor quality packaging, only in a cardboard box without any protection, therefore zero reliability, maximum disappointment
E***o –
Hello, good afternoon, the camera arrived as the agreed, this is already the fourth I buy from this store, it arrived very fast, excellent product, 1.000 note, I totally recommend the store and the store!
j***s –
Arrived in 16 days here in the Ceará. Came well packed. I have others here, but this model is the first I buy. I come back to add the comments after I test her.
C***n –
It ok for static wiew! No zoom
J***o –
Working perfectly Great quality
G***s –
Top
J***Z –
There are already 3 that I buy, they fulfill their function very well where I use them, they arrived before the estimated date
M***a –
top
S***e –
A very good product. Seller shipped the package within 2 days. Arrived to Kadawatha, Sri Lanka within 14 days. Well packed. The camera works fine and the quality is very good. Way better than the ones available in our local market. Very easy to use. Just plug and play. Recommended store.
Я***к –
8 MP, 8 MP and not a car, and the product is a class